The SurfBull's Autosurf and HYIP Community

New Endevour for all hopefully

2007-04-01T19:30:00.000-05:00

Well recently I have reconsidered the state of this whole autosurf thing. An I will recant that all so common word which describes this industry. DISGUSTED. However I would like to share with you some good news. First off let me explain my absence an then I will explain as to why this was the route in which I'm taking. Ok here is the news. I have recently decided to take on a second job. Reason being???? Well I think I have found a way in which I can earn a higher interest rate then I can make in any Bank, Mutual Fund etc.... safely. However first things first. What I want to do is try out this endevour first on my own. With my own money. Not experiment with other peoples money like other admins do. An here is the best part. I will personally guarantee my own hard money as collateral for this program if I choose to go forward. That means if the program goes sour every one will break even. No one will lose money except for me. So if you don't hear from me as often it is likely because I am busting my hump. Another thing in which I am so excited about is that this program can possibly provide a source of residual income. So for now on you will probably not hear from me as often as I would like but it is for the greater good. I will keep everyone posted as to the progress of that. An on a side note I am looking for moderators to help out with the forum if any one is interested please leave a comment. So until we speak again. Later.

Back into a world of S*!t

2007-03-07T15:45:00.000-05:00

Hello, greetings and all that good stuff. Well I have just returned from my vacation. An no matter how calming a vacation can be it's funny to see how all of life's crap sits and waits for your humble return. Oh well it is what it is. I returned to see AdsMania in dire straights. An Eleven-12Adsurf on the ropes as well. First lets start with AdsMania stay as far away as possible. You can call the morgue on this one. I am really don't like the games there playing over there. First I had a pending payout which I was expecting to be in my Alertpay Account when I returned to find out no payment was made. Then I check with the site and there doesn't seem to be any problems except that my money I requested for payout was put back in to my cash balance. So I wrote it off as a error thinking nothing of it. I re-upgraded with the program of course however a day later they change the program to a 1% for 365 days. Money issues???? Hmmm. I mean I wouldn't have believed there wasn't a problem however the percentage is just to low for me to believe. Why not just move to like a 3% for 60 days or something. Any how get the chalk out. Start the outline. As for Eleven-12Adsurf Brenda and company are having problems with there script again. However she is still remaining in touch with her member base an still active in here forum. I think she will pull out of this one. But time will only tell. Finally TSMC and Tri-Star. Hmmmmm. If you don't remember my post back in January then please reread here. Honestly I hope I'm wrong for the large member base he has an all the other Autosurfers out there but please be forewarned. Well thats it for today. Over and out.

Eleven-12adsurf New and Improved Autosurf

2007-02-23T00:40:00.000-05:00

With Eleven-12adsurf its back to business as usual. Damn thats what I like to see. Brenda is what I call a trooper. Not for nothing I thought the whole personal thing was going to be her grand escape however I guess I thought wrong. My whole account thing was straightened out also. An I'm really liking the whole new script thing. What can I say? I'm impressed!!! Congrats and keep up the good work Brenda.

Eleven-12adsurf IS UP AN RUNNING

2007-02-22T01:17:00.000-05:00

Kudos's to Brenda despite all her personal problems she was able to get the site back up and running with a new script to boot. An its back to business as usual. However one small problem though my account balance is set to zero. I'm sure all the kinks are still being worked out right now so will keep everyone posted as to the status of this one.

Current News on Eleven-12adsurf

2007-02-21T13:27:00.000-05:00

I had just finished going back to the ASA forum and it looks like Brenda has ironed everything out as far as her personal matters are concerned. As for the site well she states that it should be up within a few more days and everyone will be paid there full earnings. Here is the link if your interested.

Eleven-12adsurf Issues

2007-02-20T16:59:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like one of current picks has ran into a few snags. There site is currently unavailable so I decided to look around to see whats going on. I was able to find some post from Brenda over at the ASA forum. She states that see is going through some personal issues along with her site being hacked/hijacked. As for the site goes she stated that she currently has a programmer writing a new script and the site should be back up in a few days. Here is the link

Eleven-12adsurf and Ads Mania

2007-02-11T21:55:00.000-05:00

Well, Well, I was paid yesterday from my 20 dollar upgrade with vivasurf.us. So I as far as I'm concerned they are paying but as for large upgrades I can only speculate. As my upgrade was small. My two new current endevour's consist of Eleven-12adsurf and of course AdsMania. As far as vivasurf.us is concerned I will sit back an see what happens with there camp in regards to impact of the rumors which have currently surfaced. If they can manage to overcome I will go back.

Vivasurf.US

2007-02-06T12:52:00.000-05:00

Grammatical errors ( I tried to put out quick post however I made some serious errors. lol!!!)

I received an email today from Robert Kempster the admin over @ Vivasurf.us. Pretty much trying to quell the rumors of his program not paying. I personally have upgraded with Vivasurf.us so I will let everyone know if I have been paid or not. As for other news Manic or Mania hmmm. I would like to reiterate the fact that when big changes are made to a program it usually tends to crumble in the not so near future. Now I'm not saying its not possible for a program to survive. 13DP and DesertSkyMarketing have both survived. Yea I know 13DP went scam but look how long they lasted after there first comeback. People lost money but alot of people made money also. That is the nature of ponzi's like it or not. Now I remember Mike from Surfoogle were he went by the the the name of phpMike an to sum that up we got burned. That was why he started Manic from what I recall. However the fact remains that the autosurf masses don't like uncertainty or should I said inconsistency. I know how ironic it sounds with the nature of this beast but hey it is still a fact. An the facts can't be ignored. Do I support Mike's site??? Of course!!! I was actually refunded from a program for the the first time ever and that was Mikes program. So with that being said I do support the new site however I won't go big until I see consistency with this one.

Manic Ads Closing

2007-01-29T23:40:00.000-05:00

Damn!!! It really did look promising. Oh well!! An just like that another rising star falls. Well the premise holds true that it all comes down to the admin. Mike over at Manic Ads was complaining about how hard it was to run an Autosurf etc... so he has been considering on just closing the program. Well on a good note I was rebated within a few minutes of making my request so that is definitely a good sign that people will be getting refunded. The only money I loss was of course the fees to alertpay. Well what can you do ??? Off to my next program of choice of course.
Damn!!!

Due Diligence Section Is Up!!!!

2007-01-25T15:22:00.000-05:00

Well have just finished working the new addition to my site. The Due Diligence Section is now up. This section will provide screen shots of where my due diligence quest take me. I have added pics from my research on Quest2surf/ptspaypro. I know its a little outdated however that was the program I was working on when I had phantom the idea of a Due Diligence Section. Comments are welcome on the discussion section in our forum. In other news I have recently decided to go with ManicAds. I think that this is still a relatively new program with plenty of room for growth. This site has been up since Nov 26,2006. With the average life span of a program approaching 12 months this program is only 2-3 months old. Also the recent adjustment in the amount one can upgrade has made me feel real comfortable with this program. As that should help prevent to much saturation which can kill a program in a few months. I think that this was a foreseen problem and prudently reacted upon by the programs administration which is also another big plus. It shows the administration is keeping a close eye on things.

Tri-Star Sites Going Private

2007-01-11T16:22:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like the Tri-Star Sites are going private. I can only assume based on there new e-mail released they don't enjoy being under the spotlight. Now this posses a really good question. Why not be under the spotlight? Please let common sense prevail. The only reason why I see this happening is because they are planning there grand escape. Lets look at the entire scenario if they are no longer monitored it will take longer to look through different forums to find out what is going on with the program. Correct!!! Now I have another question. Rather then tackle the issue of legalities with there money changer they just dodge the issue. An attack bloggers. And finally why is Bob Krimm creating so many Corporate Barriers. Obviously for personal protection and Asset Protection. Here is a how to site link on Offshore Asset Protection of you are still skeptical. Come on what is all the protection for. What are you scared of Bob. I personally see where this is heading. An it's not good.

If his sites are so self sustainable than I have a challenge to all his cheerleaders. Don't put in more than your profit from his site an see how long he can maintain. An as for the late comers get out cause there is telling when this blimp is going to blow an come hurtling down.
An finally all the programs using his money changer should be avoided. Cause I smell alot of scampay/money changer excuses coming.

On a side note that is JUST MY OPINION OF THINGS

ASA vs. Tri Star

2007-01-11T01:18:00.000-05:00

Well I received a strange E-Mail tonight from the 3 star media group stating that they are withdrawing all ties with ASA. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes over there hmmmmmmm. Someone getting to big for there britches. Who let the Dog's out??? Woff Woff. I guess we will find this out soon from Jake as to why. I sure the hounds will be barking. In other new Highspeedhits is pulling a Houdini. It is what it is.

Forum is Up

2007-01-09T19:33:00.000-05:00

Damn and just like that by the time I finished posting its back up. I guess there may have some kind of glitch or something. Well whatever its up.

Forum is Down

2007-01-09T19:27:00.000-05:00

Unfortunately the forum is down I have already contacted the hosting company to find out why the forum is unaccessible. I will get back everyone on the status of the forum when I receive an explanation from the hosting company. Thank you. Oh and I was paid by DailyRoi:PS today surprisingly in less than 24hours of ad-pack expiration.

Farewell To Andy

2007-01-07T23:08:00.000-05:00

I just received an E-mail today in which Andy is planning to sell his sites to 3 star media group. You can find the e-mail in my forum. If you can the Red Flag is screaming. I shouldn't have to tell you guys you know what to do. Well in other news I am working on a new addition to my site. In which I will be providing actual screen shots of where my due diligence quest bring me. So stay in touch.

A quick new post

2006-12-29T17:03:00.000-05:00

I received an e-mail today from the network reloaded. Finally Traffic Lunatic is back up with all the repairs being made. You will find the update located in our forum. I also received my acct. info yesterday however it was in my junk folder so I didn't realize it until today.

Well it looks like a good start for the New Year
Well I wish you and yours a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

A holiday present from US TO YOU

2006-12-22T16:28:00.000-05:00

Mark this day on your calender everybody. Were are on the horizon of a New Era in this industry. Something most needed by all of us. A common ground in which we can share info carte blanc. Without any limitation or boundaries. I know personally performing a Due Diligence on a company can be tedious and most importantly frustrating. Especially when the moment you have the info it is to late to respond. However what one can't accomplish alone we can accomplish together. Together we have compiled the who's who of bloggers into one forum. I recently sent out and e-mail requesting for the first time a full co-operation between the Due-Diligence experts into one forum. The rules are pretty simple and straight forward. That is how I do things.

Read the Forum Guide Lines
Make an Introduction in The Genesis Section
Then Start a Topic in the Forum about a Program Inquiry.
(An please don't waist there time with company's that have been up for only a few days please.)

PS. This was the following email in which I had sent out

To whom it may concern:

I have been an avid reader of your site along with the other bloggers I have listed on my site for some time. An of course respect the bloggers more than the monitors. Well let me get to the point. I have been playing with the notion of creating a forum were I could get the who's who of blogging together to share there incites on programs carte blanc of course. Dare I say an Alliance? lol. I know that each individual blogger has a particular way in which they work and I don't want to take away from that. The concept is more of a Due Diligence Network. I feel that this would provide an invaluable tool to the public of Autosurfers and HYIPers.

Here is the link to forum and my blog

The Surf Bull Forum
The Surf Bulls Blog

As you may have realized there really isn't much action. lol. Anyhow in respect to the forum I'm not looking for any financial gain out of the concept. That would be entirely up to the team of bloggers. If choose to do so. If you ever seen Donnie Brasco like all the old men sitting around the table. When they put the hit it gets taken care of. lol. Well that is the concept. I will of course cc this to the other bloggers.

PS. If you are willing to partake in this endeavor just sign in to the forum. Again the public I’m sure will be forever grateful.

PSS. Happy Holidays to you and yours.

2006-12-19T23:29:00.000-05:00

Well In other news I have decided to go with Dailyroi as my current choice today. An I roll the dice. hmmmmmm
(If your a newbie watch closely.)

Farewell To Dave Cannard

2006-12-19T19:16:00.000-05:00

Well it is what is. What did you expect? Personally in my opinion the vast majority of autosurf sites and HYIP's are ponzi in nature. Unless we start to see ad's for McDonald's, Sony, and Nokia etc... this industry can an will be prone to startups and collapses. With the few exceptions. An exceptions being the honest admins whom are actually looking for outside investment opportunities an they know who they are.
Lets just look at it like we would any other relative market there will be ups and downs. I know you lost some money but you will in any market(Please stop b*t@hing an put your money in a safe secure investment). Only fools buy stock without watching were to market is heading. Me personally I do sense a correction within a few months however with the programs that are running now I wouldn't mind if a few of same admins came back. We are currently at more predictable time in this industry than probably every before.
If the volatility(50/50 rule, low Roi's etc...) can be kept in check then we can all make some real decent returns an be able to get the sense of when to pull out. With that said here is Dave's post:

Hi Everybody,

This is the hardest update I have ever had to write. 12by12daily is now closed. I have done everything in my power to keep both sites operating, but, at the end of the day, if theres is no money coming in, then there is nothing to pay out. Since the launch of 12by12daily I have been working up to 18 hours a day 7 days a week to make this a success. Some of you will appreciate the effort I have put in, others will not. During that time, we have been subjected to some enormous obstacles. Right from day 1 we were subjected to extortion threats, which we did not bow down to. This resulted in our site being attacked by massive ddos attacks, which we were eventually able to repel. It also resulted in our database being totally corrupted due to my attempts to pay everybody for they days they had been unable to surf. We have still been unable to totally correct these errors. Worse than that, it also started a massive campaign of negativity in the forums, resulting in a lack of confidence, and complaints to egold, which saw my egold account blocked. We were able to get through these problems, and make 12by12daily a successful site for a time. Just when we thought we had things back on an even keel, it all started again. First we were hacked, and a number of members had their egold account numbers changed. This took a few days to sort out, but it was the beginning of the lack of confidence shown by members. I could have announced then, that we were in trouble, but I preferred to fix the problem, rather than aggravate it. I announced an increase in the maximum allowable upgrades, and a number of other positive signs about 12by12daily. This worked well for one day, until some unsupportive members announced to the world that we had a cashflow problem. Some others even emailed their downline telling them not to make any further upgrades. The action of these members was probably the single most influential factor in the downfall of 12by12daily. Many of you are familiar with what happens when there is a run on a bank, well the same thing happens in an autosurf program. I had to make changes in payout rules to protect us from that, which I did. This also had a positive effect for a few days, until we got hacked again. This time the hacker got away with a large sum of money. This in itself would not have been enough to bring us down, but it was followed up with another sabotage attempt, whereby we were bombarded with phoney upgrades for a period of about 4 days. Almost every member had at least one of these phoney upgrades added to their account, and by the time we got that problem solved, I could see the level of confidence decreasing by the day. From a position where we would have been able to save the site, Upgrades were becoming less and less each day, until they are now at virtually zero. I have continued to make payouts in that time, in the hope that it might turn around, and I will continue to make payouts over the next few hours, until there is nothing left in my egold account.

I am truly sorry about this situation. I am not a scammer, and I have not stolen and run away with your money. Every penny made from 12by12daily has been put back into the program to make payments, and to make some payments at dadndaves. I am a good person who has been hit with circumstances I cannot control. I believe the majority of members will understand this, and accept that I have done everything I could to keep the program going. There will be a rabble rousing minority who will not accept it, and will go screaming in the forums etc for revenge. If any of those members should be considering legal means to recoup any losses, I would remind them of the terms agreed to upon joining. (Relevant paragraphs printed below) Each member, upon joining ticked a box to say they had read and understood the terms and conditions. This constitutes a digital signature, which is then a legally binding document. If you still wish to pursue this avenue, then I should also tell you there is no money left. Every penny I have made from 12by12daily has been put back into the program,

In closing I would like to thank all the members that have supported me over the last couple of years. It is your support that has enabled me to continue as long as I have. I have been shattered by this, and it is highly unlikely that you will ever see me with an internet business again.

David

An anouther site goes down

2006-12-18T15:02:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like 13Dailypro has bitten the dust or shall I say scam. I fortunetly got out in time while in profit. I'm still debating where I'm going to lay my funds next so I'll just sit back an contemplate for now. ohmmmmmmmm I'll keep everyone updated.

Current News

2006-12-03T20:21:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like the Surfoogle has bitten the dust or is on its way. I personally got my spend out on time with them. I knew it was a possibility due to the admins inability to ascertain a programmer so I took the gamble. I still believe the model can work. However there isn't any competence from the programming department. Listen carefully please anyone who is reading this and think they can just buy an autosurf web script an all will be fine your wrong. Life and especially technology does not work that way. Not to sound like a pessimist cause I'm most surely not but Moore's Law should not be dismissed in your calculations. There must always be someone on the payroll who can fix the malfunctions when it occurs. An this is a clear case of poor business mgmt. I'll take my 5 dollar loss and walk. Well as for The Network I am stiiiill waiting. I'm starting to become highly impatient. However I fell my money is still safe an not a bit worried about losing out. I trust Mrs Vee an therefor I must trust Stormy to. 13Dailypro has alreay provided me with 3 payouts thus far and I am currently awaiting a third which is pending. In other news The Finer Things is making some alterations to there site here is the message from Andy:
Hey thereWith the growth in The Finer Things some of you may have noticed some web slowness - and every now and then a spend does not make it into your back office.So effective immediately we have decided to make some changes - which will help protect the integrity of the programTFT will no longer record the spends in an online database What does this mean? 1) All spends from now on going forward will not be entered into a database therefore they will NOT show in your online account - you will not have an online account any more 2) Previous spends will not show in your online account. (This facility will be removed very shortly.)3) There will be two ways to spend to TFTa) Directly from your egold account to TFT egold account 3763976. No confirmation email will be sent for spends made this way.b) The same way you always have. Login to TFT and there will be a spend page. This page is not attached to an online database. If you spend from this page you will receive a confirmation email.4) New members are still asked to sign up at the website so that we have a record of email address to notify of program details. 5) All terms remain the same except one. There will no longer be any referral bonuses. Tracking referral payments under these new arangements will be too cumbersome and time consuming.6) Payouts will be done after the maturity time expires, which is 30 days. You will now need to keep track (of your new spends) via your egold history. 7) As before, there is no requirement that you ask for your payout. They will be done automatically upon expiration. Why we decided to take away the TFT back office. There are a number of factors in making this decision. The strain on the server processing - with both TFT and the partner program XLO was meaning that more spends were not being processed through to the database in TFT.Additionally- by taking the program "offline" we are immune to various sorts of "online" attacks. We will pay to the egold acct you spend from - there is no possibility of your TFT account being hijacked by anyone else.These changes take place immediately - and any spends that are went "missing" today - and have not been returned will fall into these new arrangements.Please come along to the forum at www.xlo-tftforum.com and make your comments.As always we welcome your feedback and support.Andy

An here is some clarification info about Tri Star Media's Payment Processor:

Licensing Clarification I want to update the information on the Licensing for TSMC. All the information I am summarizing here is from Bob¢s Attorney, via Bob, to me. Bob has completely followed all the guidelines and requirements and his attorney has handled the entire process and application procedure. 1. The license needs to be viewed like a state drivers license. You have a license from the state you live in and it works in ALL the states that you drive in, here in the US. This previous statement is directly from Bob¢s attorney that has handled this process. This is how the licensing for the processor works. It is licensed in Michigan and applies to all states in the US. Just as Virtual Money is licensed in Texas and they do business in ALL states. TSMC is licensed in Michigan and does business in all 50 states! 2. The requirements for the Payment Processor in Michigan included: a. A $600.00 Application Fee b. A $500,000.00 surety bond c. A Criminal Record check (You can not be a felon!) d. A Minimum of $100,000.00 of Corporation assets. 3. All the above requirements have been met and it is in the final phase of being issued. It has been approved at all levels and will be in hand soon. Once it is in hand, it will be posted on the TSMC page so all can view it. 4. All phases of this application have been handled by Bob¢s attorney and it has been in process for quite a while. It will be in hand shortly. But they have been assured that it is just being finalized and that all requirements have been met. 5. So, it needs to be understood that licensing TSMC in Michigan makes it a licensed Processor in all 50 states, just as Bob stated this week.

Surfoogle Overhual

2006-10-26T17:17:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like Harrolds Media plan wasn't exactly the plan of all plans. However you do have to admit the plan did keep Surfoogle from turning scam. Surfoogle has taken the advice of its members and finalized there overhual; now they are running off a morphed Harrolds Media plan. Here is the link to the discussion which took place. However you will have to register in the forum to read.(Lets see how this one holds up, I have to admit I was skeptical at first but it definitly sound's like it can work.)They are now offering a Randomizer, Downline Purchase's, and a lottery. In other news I was paid out today from 13DailyPro

If it's any news to you

2006-10-25T18:04:00.000-05:00

NME/Phoenix Surf has recently posted from the dead. Well here you go:

Monday, October 23, 2006

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

We are finally making progress towards what we hope will be the successful recovery of money we feel is owed to NME/Phoenix Surf members.

Suits have been filed and are in the courts. As you know the legal system is slow and can take significant time to reach a resolution. We have acquired the services of several top Attorneys specializing in this type of law.

We are working with a group of EMO (Electric Money Orders, Inc.) supporters that have successfully put EMO into an Involuntary Bankruptcy. By doing so it takes EMO out of the hands of the Texas Attorney General and will allow the EMO principles to take back their company and continue to operate under the recovery plan that has been accepted by the court. This will insure a larger recovery of the amount of funds NME had in the account prior to being taken over by the Receivers. This is very critical to our recovery plan since funds are needed to pay the legal expenses needed to support our suits.

We are confident we will be successful on your behalf.
Regards,
NME Administrator

An as the World Turns

2006-10-21T22:24:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like Fred Mckinnon over at E-business Online has found a buyer. From one Christian to another may God Bless you and all your endeavors. The buyer for e-business online is the famed Tri-Star Media Group founded my Bob from 15HitsDaily. Here is the new video cast from the recently acquired E-business Online. As for The Network I am still waiting on them to finish there renovation. They have 4 sites up now and working on the 5th. For members who didn't opt in or out there money from all previous sites will be pooled together and put into there 5th site minus the $75 fee for The Matrix Unplugged. I am also still waiting on a payday from my expiration with 13DailyPro; it's only been 3days however so I'm not complaining yet. Um what else do I have to report??? Oh surfoogle has hit a snare with the Harrolds Media Plan however someone has come through with some good ideas and the admin over at surfoogle is all ears. If the one giving the advice can hold up to his claims surfoogle can become a force to be reckoned with. Here is the link to there forum however you would have to register to read the discussion.

Yea I know

2006-10-09T16:18:00.000-05:00

Its been awhile. Its been pretty quite in my camp so I haven't had much to say. Still waiting on funds locked up from the The Matrix Unplugged aka The Network or sumtin like that. Confusing with all these name changes. They are supposed to be opening on the 11th. Fingers are crossed =) As the anticipation builds. Any how in other new Mrs. has a Monitor site comming to replace here surf tutor program looking forward to that. She has been heavy in the Matix Forums as of late or since, whatever. I've been hanging out in the Matrix Unplugged chat room (since I dont like forums to much) with betty and janice the two head honchos or honchidas.Speaking of forums I have finished putting mine up today. I also had managed to scap together a few bucks and upgrade with 13Dailypro we'll see how that goes. Well I'm scaped for time I have to wake up early for work tommorow so good night. An that my friends is that. May you live long and prosper yada yada yada all that good shit.

The Network Reloaded

2006-09-19T14:45:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like the Network is getting an overhaul. I guess you can say I'm late on the news. I have just been so busy. Any how Ms Vee has made statement in regards to The Network here. To sum it up if you have money in the network sites you would have had to sent in a support ticket opting to get in the matrix by Monday. However I didn't read the announcement until today. So I would have to wait until I get my payout. Hopefully the mess over at the network will get cleared up. I think what Stormy is trying to do at the network is great idea. With time we will know if it is the ultimate bussiness plan. I personally will get into the Matrix Reloaded once I receive my payouts. So far I have pending with ProfessionalAutosurfer and current upgrades with Surf4mlm

15 Hits Daily Relaunced is alive

2006-09-16T16:36:00.000-05:00

Well it looks like 15 Hits Daily has paid me the money that has been sitting in there since befor the whole hack thing. I'm still debating on the whole 50/50 rule however. I don't think I will reupgrade with them. I"ll probably put that back into one of the Network sites.

2006-09-14T15:32:00.000-05:00

Well looks like the ReindeerSurf has bit the dust along with MVPSurf. You have to admit somewhere deep inside you fealt Reindeer wasn't planning on sticking around.MVPSurf blames there whoes on ACDHOSTING So no word on Fastprofitsclub. They were supposed to start a new site on the 12th of September but we haven't heard anything. I'm still feeling the impact of the whole Alertpaypro and Nowdollar fiasco just about caught up on my losses thanks to Surf4mlm, ProfessionalAutosurfer and Expertsurf.